CentOS Drama -- Any insight/Thoughts?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by bdmorrison, Jul 30, 2009.

  1. bdmorrison

    bdmorrison New Member


    Has KnownHost given any thoughts or played out any "what ifs" or is it still too early?
  2. KH-Paul

    KH-Paul CTO Staff Member

    It is too early to react/decide what to do, we'll see how situation will develop.
  3. magic

    magic New Member

    Wait, so you're not going to suddenly decide to format all our servers and install new O/Ses? :D
  4. Jeren

    Jeren Time Lord

    I call Windows 3.11!

    Seriously, even if the domain were to disappear, if the developers and community around CentOS are serious enough, then I doubt we'd even see any kind of major disruption of CentOS development. And if such a thing were to happen, the community will find a way to deal with it.
  5. ppc

    ppc Moderator


    Facts Regarding CentOS and the Open Letter:

    Curious, what other Linux OS's are supported by Virtuozzo besides for CentOS?
  6. rezag

    rezag New Member

    The year is 2011 and KH is a Windows hosting company

    Where is the scared smilie? :D
  7. cenc

    cenc New Member

    Scientific Linux

    I have been following this closely, as not only do I have VPS running here with centOS, but I have several office desktops and servers running CentOS.

    Interesting article today about the CentOS problems:
    lwn .net (sorry can not post the link yet)

    I was also just the victim of the meltdown a few months ago with the PClinuxOS ( mandriva based ) distribution project that I had been using as a base for my office desktops and even one of my servers for better than three years. That distro project blew apart in a very big and sudden way, as all the fighting was happening in the backroom and none of the normal users had as much of a hint as to anything being wrong (besides long release delays) until a similar letter popped up on the web one day. Half the devlopers walked away, and several of the child distributions with them. The updates started going out the door with lots of things breaking, and it was overall too unstable and risky to continue to use for buisness purposes.

    I won't get in to the whole 'will centOS survive' thing. However as systems admins and people responsible for the IT infrastructure of buisness, we need to make buisness decisions. That means plan B-Z on the shelf (you have plan B-z right).

    My plan B that I am implementing in my own office is migrating all internal systems to
    Scientific Linux as the opportunity arises. They have serious big boy backing with the likes of CERN and FERMILAB under them:
    scientific linux .org

    My question is, will known Host assist now or in the future in doing conversions of VPS to SL? Would they make freshly loaded VPS with SL available perhaps as an option?

    As far as I know there should be no serious issues SL replacing CentOS with compatibility for things like cpanel and the like, but perhaps there is some hidden bigger consideration. Have the guys at known host been looking in to potential replacement?

    At this point, this centOS just looks like a piece of bad PR, but it would be irresponsible for all of us not to have some backup plans in place should it go nuclear in the way PClinuxOS went nuclear. I have just been around open source software for the better part of 8 years, and seen too many of these sorts of signs to ignore it (e.g. public in fighting, debates about money, delayed updates). Imagine, it does go south and someone does pick it up to spin it off, but it takes them 3-6 months to get organized again and updates stop happening and things start breaking. What do we do?

    Thoughts, comments, gripes please.
  8. ppc

    ppc Moderator

    The real issue is Virtuozzo support. Check this link to see the supported Virtual OS Distributions: http://www.parallels.com/products/virtuozzo/specs/linux/
  9. ppc

    ppc Moderator

    But yes Knownhost can definitely, should they choose, start deploying alternative Virtuozzo supported OS's.
  10. cenc

    cenc New Member

    scientific Linux

    With that list of supported OS, I see no technical reason there then that scientific linux would not be able to handle it. Definitely as a guess system at least.

    the guys on the SL mailing list talk about centOS like they where bunch of bleeding edge radical hippies.

    I take it the boys at CERN, FERMILAB, and other universities need to stay truer to Red Hat because they have contracts with them for their production machines.
  11. cenc

    cenc New Member

    new twists

    since this thread originally opened over the letter (first sign something was going really wrong with centos), today we get announcement of centos 5.6 finally being released. Meanwhile both red hat and scientific linux have released 6.0, and we are getting a whole lot of "it is ready when it is ready" from the developers (which I have also seen in other projects as a sign things are in bad shape) .

    Our office is currently in the process of creating a conversion path internally to SL while there is clearly time to do it, as centos is simply not something we can bet our biz on over the next few years.

    All the signs of a dying volunteer open source project are in the wind, and have moved well beyond a momentary spat or communication problem. The serious discussions on the forums over at centos, looks a lot like a lot of other projects that have fully imploded rather than just had a momentary crisis.

    Is there an escape plan, in the event centos does implode for KH?

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